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Thanks, StrawMan! This is very interesting...I wonder if any other schools may follow suit.

They will, and I think Michigan started doing this a while back already.
LSAT Discussion / Re: 2016 USN Law School Rankings Released Tomorrow 3/10
« Last post by lawdog on March 11, 2015, 09:41:15 PM »
Thanks BanksyPhan!    ;woot2;
Thanks for those links!  I agree with that blog post!!   ;)    I think it sounds like a big story but is not that big a deal. There were already other schools that were doing the same thing--10% of their incoming class exempt from the LSAT, but as discussed above, it's not like some kind of big back door into those schools. The applicants have to be honor students who have done well on another standardized test. The idea seems to be based on the notion that the schools have sufficient non-LSAT tools to assess the relatively small number of students to whom this exception can apply. The idea behind this exception also speaks to the need for the LSAT in general: For the most part, it can be very difficult to assess the relative merits of various candidates from different schools and backgrounds, without some objective standard basis. Even GPA doesn't fit the bill (how does a decent Harvard GPA compare with a stellar GPA from a small community college?), so without nearly firsthand knowledge of the candidates (which is basically required for the recent exceptions), law schools rely on the LSAT as the primary basis for such comparisons.
Some say that, with the rapid decrease in enrollment numbers, other low-ranked law schools will follow suit. I don't buy it. It's already easy enough to get into Tier 2/3 schools; dropping the LSAT requirement but requiring exceptionally strong undergraduate record is unlikely to make much of a difference. First, it's easier to get a 155 on the LSAT than to be in top-10% of your college class. Second, those who are already in the top-10% can probably at least meet, if not exceed, the LSAT medians for those schools without a problem. For them, dropping the LSAT requirement is unlikely to be a deciding factor. Third, most students eligible to attend their "home" law school without having taken the LSAT will have their sights set on better law schools; their "home" law school is probably a safety.

The only way this new policy can even begin to shake the current status quo is if several top law schools decide to drop the LSAT requirement for a portion of their incoming classes. This is because such schools set the LSAT bar exceptionally high (165+), so dropping the requirement would lift a heavy burden. It's also because few students would qualify any of the top-14 schools as "safeties": a Penn undergrad will probably be thrilled to attend Penn Law without bothering to take the LSAT, even if taking it - and doing exceptionally well on it - might open up a few more doors. However, given the statistically high predictive validity of the LSAT and the imperative to assemble an exceptionally gifted class, I don't see why any of the top law schools would ever go down that route.

Thanks, StrawMan! This is very interesting...I wonder if any other schools may follow suit.
LSAT Discussion / Re: 2016 USN Law School Rankings Released Tomorrow 3/10
« Last post by BanksyPhan on March 10, 2015, 11:05:43 AM »
Here's the list:

  1.     Yale
  2.     Harvard
  2.     Stanford
  4.     Columbia
  4.     Chicago
  6.     NYU
  7.     Penn
  8.     Duke
  8.     UC Berkeley
  8.     Virginia
11.     Michigan
12.     Northwestern
13.     Cornell
14.     Georgetown
15.     Texas
16.     UCLA
17.     Vanderbilt
18.     WashU/StLouis
19.     Emory
20.     Minnesota
20.     USC
22.     Geo Wash
22.     Alabama
22.     Iowa
22.     Notre Dame

More details here:
LSAT Discussion / 2016 USN Law School Rankings Released Tomorrow 3/10
« Last post by Dr. Troy on March 09, 2015, 04:46:14 PM »
Big day for law schools and law students tomorrow, as the US News' annual list of law school rankings is coming out! Probably no huge shake ups or surprises, although if this top-ten preview ( is to be believed it seems Michigan has been bumped from its 10th-place tie spot of 2015 (tied with Duke).

Should be interesting to see the final list tomorrow!
Wow; really?! Do you have a link to this info?
LSAT Discussion / Re: Application numbers going up next year?
« Last post by StrawMan on March 09, 2015, 02:24:59 PM »
Very true. I have a buddy with 162/3.5 who has gotten into Vandy, Fordham, GW, and WL at GULC. He's not a minority either... His advisor told him not to worry too much about the employment market, because it's been picking up as of late. By the time he graduates, law firms should be in full hiring mode. The only problem that *I* see with this theory is that most recruitment takes place after your 1L, so if you're starting law school in the Fall, you'll be going through OCI recruiting in 1 1/2 years. Does that give the market enough time to bounce back?
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