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« on: July 28, 2011, 03:16:51 PM »

ok not sure if ths is allowed to ask but anyone use lsat braindumps? like IT certifications have alot of that around but does LSAT? any good?

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 12:36:30 AM »

ok not sure if ths is allowed to ask but anyone use lsat braindumps? like IT certifications have alot of that around but does LSAT? any good?

Thanks!

You can ask any questions you want, but NO  No! , cheating behavior is not allowed.  

For test security and fairness purposes, among the slew of other security measures, major internet LSAT discussion/study/chat boards (here, TLS, LSD, FaceBook, etc.) are heavily monitored to root out and stop cheaters in their tracks right around the time of every administered test.  

The rules are strictly enforced when attempts to cheat are noticed.  behead    

Read the sticky thread at the top of the index (quoted below). It is one of many similar posts from LSAC:  http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/index.php/topic,540.0.html

Even though I'm no longer the owner of or an administrator of this board, because I'm the original founder of it and a long time dedicated LSAT prep teacher and tutor, if I see something here or on the other popular LSAT study boards that breaks the rules before LSAC test security and/or Caveon Test Security does, I will report it directly to LSAC and others in order to help keep the test fair for everybody.  I certainly do not want any students that put legitimate time and effort into preparing to have to compete for law school admission with people that cheated their way into a good test score.      

Cheaters suck and have no place trying to enter the legal profession dishonestly.    

One of several news stories about LSAT brain dumps:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/utah_company_helps_crack_down_on_lsat_brain_dumps/

If you want to get into a good law school, prep effectively and do the homework to earn a good LSAT score that old fashioned way.

If you are not willing to put in the necessary effort to perform well you probably would not survive very long in law school anyway but would unfairly displace others in the competition.

There are 67 or so previously administered LSAT tests (called PrepTests) plus study guides/prep books, quality prep courses, and many teachers/tutors available to help you prepare if you are willing to put in the time to study and practice.

Stop trying to think of ways to use technology to cheat the system and instead use it to become better educated.  

I'm shocked  Yikes!  OMG!  WTF?? that you had the nerve to basically ask about a potential way to try to cheat in your first post on a free/public --for everyone in the world with internet access to see-- study forum dedicated to the law school admission test.  That is why I took the time to write this post and chastise you.  FYI, people are not completely anonymous on the internet unless they have skills that far surpass those needed to achieve a high LSAT score.  

The Law School Admission Council (LSAC) understands and sympathizes with the anxiety that the LSAT causes test takers and their strong desire to discuss with their peers the questions that they have just taken on the LSAT.  However, LSAC prohibits such discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. Certain LSATs are non-disclosed and their questions may be used again at a later administration of the test.  And even in the case of disclosed tests there may be circumstances in which LSAC may need to administer a test form to some test takers somewhat later than to others.  Discussion of test questions in a public forum like a website before the test is disclosed, even though its usefulness is limited by the memory and ability of the participants, makes information about that test widely available to anyone who has access to the web and may unfairly advantage test takers who see the discussion before they take the test. Since the number of admission places in law schools is limited, such an unfair advantage could penalize those who took the test at an earlier time, including those very people engaging in the post-mortem discussion.

In an effort to ensure the fairness of the LSAT, LSAC requires test takers to sign a statement on the LSAT answer sheet saying that they agree not to “copy or retain examination questions or to transmit them to or discuss them with any other person in any form.” In addition, test takers sign a certification statement on the LSAT admission ticket agreeing that they have “no right to reproduce, recreate, distribute, or sell any of that test.”  In this statement they also certify that they “understand that the Law School Admission Council reserves the right to pursue all suitable courses of action to prevent fraudulent or unauthorized use of its property and to prevent the compromise of secure test material.”  Thus, test takers enter into a contract with LSAC that they will not discuss with others the test questions they have taken. In addition, LSAC’s “Instructions for the Day of the Test” state: “Legal action may be taken against anyone who removes test materials and/or reproduces test material in any way, or shares LSAT test content prior to LSAC’s disclosure of that test.”

If inappropriate public discussion of test questions on public websites reaches a point at which it threatens to undermine the fairness of the LSAT, injuring LSAT test takers, or at which it damages the value of non-disclosed LSAT test forms, LSAC would be compelled to take appropriate action to prevent such injury or damage.  These actions could include reporting violators to the LSAC Misconduct Committee.  Admission to the bar and the practice of law impose high standards of conduct and LSAC member law schools take very seriously the integrity of the candidates they admit.

LSAC does not seek to take special steps to enforce its prohibition on the inappropriate discussion of test questions.  We would prefer that test takers recognize that compromising test questions before they have been disclosed by LSAC runs counter to the general interest of test takers in a fair testing process, as well as to the personal interest of those discussing the questions, and voluntarily refrain from discussing LSAT questions until after they have been disclosed to test takers by LSAC.  However, we believe that we have an obligation to both our law school members and our test takers to protect the fairness and integrity of the LSAT and the law school admission process, and we take that obligation very seriously.

Jim Vaseleck
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Oingo Boingo - Grey Matter (live)


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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 02:50:05 PM »

Let me respond in slightly fewer words Smiley

Jeffort makes some good points, the most important of which is that test security knows about these sites and regularly patrols them. While it may seem like you are anonymous out here on the internet, everything is trackable, and students using those sites put themselves in a risky position. If the sites are busted and your info discovered, LSAC can then more or less ban you from taking the LSAT and going to law school. And that's just the start of it because you also sign a confidentiality agreement with them, so when you release that info you violate their copyrights, and under the DCMA you are immediately on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars (remember the music downloading lawsuits?). To most people it seems like, hey, I won't get caught so it's worth it, but this exact same thing happened over in the GMAT world:

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jul2008/bs2008071_278439.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jun2008/bs20080627_391632_page_2.htm

So, best to avoid those sites!

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 04:03:46 PM »

Let me respond in slightly fewer words Smiley

Jeffort makes some good points, the most important of which is that test security knows about these sites and regularly patrols them. While it may seem like you are anonymous out here on the internet, everything is trackable, and students using those sites put themselves in a risky position. If the sites are busted and your info discovered, LSAC can then more or less ban you from taking the LSAT and going to law school. And that's just the start of it because you also sign a confidentiality agreement with them, so when you release that info you violate their copyrights, and under the DCMA you are immediately on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars (remember the music downloading lawsuits?). To most people it seems like, hey, I won't get caught so it's worth it, but this exact same thing happened over in the GMAT world:

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jul2008/bs2008071_278439.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jun2008/bs20080627_391632_page_2.htm

So, best to avoid those sites!


Perhaps the best part of it was what GMAC put up on the ScoreTop website after they acquired it: http://www.scoretop.com/. Test prep vitriol at its finest. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 11:55:52 AM »

Haha, that's hilarious!

I think that if these people trying to cheat put in as much effort to studying in a legit way, they'd probably get the score they want. They work harder avoiding the work than they would doing the work!!
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